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  • #108096
    chaosqueen
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      Welcome to the forum Shedtheshame! Glas you fund out! I’ve ben here for a little more than 2 years and I have learned so much and it has helped tremendously. I am looking forward to hearing more from you!

      #108097
      ShedTheShame
      Participant

        Thanks for the warm welcome, chaosqueen… I’ve enjoyed your posts! Reading what others had to share gives me hope ^_^ I was so absorbed in reading that I left my sweet potatoes in the oven too long :-o

        Before I discovered this wonderful message board, I tried my hand at making some videos in an effort to connect with others. Don’t know if it’s OK to post video links here or not. If it is, I might like to share :)

        Wondering if anyone has read a book called “The Gifts of Imperfection” by Brené Brown? It was recommended to me by a therapist and made me realize how much the shame of my situation holds me back. Brené Brown also has numerous TED Talk videos online. Highly recommend!

        #108098
        chaosqueen
        Participant

          We have link to all kinds of things on here, so I am sure it is okay. I highly recommend a timer :D IT has saved me from having to deal with burnt dinner more than once :D and it helps me stay focused while decluttering or on other tasks that bore or stress me.

          #108099
          DrowninginToys

            Hi,

            fairly new here myself but it is nice to find people who understand a bit more than others, my husband understands a bit but struggles with how the compulsive shopping ties in. my Mum is just a cow haha, very quick to judge the state of my house, has no understanding & just tells me I should pack the kids & hubby off for the day & get it sorted (if only it was that easy). she fails to see she is part of the reason I do hold on to so much now. my problem is completely based around my kids & I trace that back to the fact I have virtually nothing from my childhood so want to keep everything of theirs now.

            burnt dinner has been a problem here in recent days also- so easy to get distracted!

            #108100
            tabbycat

              Hi DrowningToys

              Your statement ‘I have virtually nothing from my childhood so want to keep everything’ is pretty much a phrase I grew up with! My mother married at 18 and moved from an island to the mainland many miles from her hometown. In the first year just before I was born her father died and her mother got rid of nearly everything without checking if there was anything she wanted. Her mother then left the Island and went to live at the other end of the country. My mother never felt like a wanted child by her mother, though she had a loving relationship with her father. She is a hoarder now.

              My mother felt out of control with my younger sister when she was a toddler and let her get away with too much including secretly bunking off school and spending the day together. I had to (I felt) protect my sister as one time I feared for her safety and got between them (sister probably 2-3 yrs old). My sister has since childhood had eating and hoarding issues, her self confidence has always been low.

              They stick together, it is comforting, they share so much including hoarding

              #108101
              ShedTheShame
              Participant

                chaosqueen wrote:

                We have link to all kinds of things on here, so I am sure it is okay. I highly recommend a timer :D IT has saved me from having to deal with burnt dinner more than once :D and it helps me stay focused while decluttering or on other tasks that bore or stress me.

                Thanks for the tip, chaosqueen. I’m seeing from many posts how a timer is invaluable ^_^

                Here’s a video I made about how I see potential in objects… and how that contributes to my dilemma:

                Wondering if others share any of these feelings?

                Happy 2016 to everyone :)

                #108102
                chaosqueen
                Participant

                  These days almost everyone has a cell phone with a timer in their pocket. Give it a try! It’S probably not for everyone but it can be life and dinner saving for easily distracted people like myself. When my oldest started preschool I set a timer so I wouldn’t miss pick up time…

                  #108103
                  Kim2014

                    Welcome to the forum ShedThe Shame. :D

                    There’s a fair few of us here who see potential everywhere and in an awful lot of things, are creative and can make good from damaged and are overwhelmed as a result. :)

                    Re do others have some of these feelings;

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                    It’s like I’ve finally found a community that speaks a language I understand.

                    Yes, you probably have. :)

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                    Lately I’ve been working on shedding some of the shame that comes with compulsive hoarding. Not easy, but hiding in shame prevents me from asking for and getting help I need.

                    Yes. While I haven’t managed to truly/fully shed the shame, doing it here at least, has been a huge step forward for me.

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                    I applaud everyone involved with this website and message board for contributing to a better understanding of compulsive hoarding. We desperately need compassionate discourse about this very complicated disorder. The lack of understanding in public perception makes us continue to hide and isolate.

                    Yes, and particular thanks and applause to Jasmine who set up and continues to give us this valuable space.

                    Yes to the nightmares, my sleeps badly disrupted by them, and it isn’t healthy, and yes to

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                    Every time I see this house, my heart breaks

                    .

                    There’s three very visible hoarded houses I see frequently, where the owners are no longer able to hide how bad things are, and yes my heart breaks for them.

                    One in particular has reached a point where their steps are slowly collapsing and dangerous, and every time I see them, I want to silently go and make them safe in the middle of the night.

                    But it was sadness over another (later well known) hoarder that finally got me to recognise internal shame and that having no name for that part of my mother’s behaviour, had caused me to disconnect and box up my background and see it as something never to be thought about, for my sanity.

                    I thought I’d escaped, and automatically kept the secret of what I’d come from, because it was deeply shameful. In turn that was stopping me seeing I’ve inherited the same basic problem, regardless of if I managed to make the end results look different.

                    I’m very grateful to him for appearing in my life and that my response was to feel it was heartbreaking, and even though I didn’t realise it then, starting me on this journey. So maybe there’s a place for having this reaction to others, even when we can do nothing or little for them?

                    Having said that, for me, amongst my NY resolutions is that whatever happens, even if I help anyone else, de-hoarding MY hoard, MUST come first this year, because if I let myself I will be compelled to help other’s while no one is going to (in practical terms) help me, except me. 8-)

                    But being part of this community, being able to ditch the shame at least here, being able to laugh, and have intelligent (and foolish) conversation, is a huge help.

                    Every one of us old and new, is still learning and our ideas may be useful for one person but not another, but hopefully we all learn from each other and move forward.

                    .Welcome on board, and Happy 2016! :)

                    #108104
                    ShedTheShame
                    Participant

                      Appreciate the welcome, Kim2014.

                      Oh, yes. The nightmares. I often wake up feeling more tired than when I went to bed because of them. Last night I dreamt that someone had broken into my house using a crowbar on the back door. I couldn’t see where they were and was so scared.

                      Thanks for watching the video. I really loved learning upholstery, but had to give it up because I was acquiring supplies, fabrics, etc. I miss it so. (Doing the upholstery… NOT acquiring more clutter!)

                      I look forward to trying out different tips people suggest here. (Already using the timer more, chaosqueen!)

                      Comforting to find a safe place without judgment. Thanks :)

                      #108105
                      Oddsocks
                      Participant

                        I get disorganised reading posts, so sorry if this has already been talked about already. I was very interested to hear that you have been working on shedding shame. Can you tell me a bit about how you are doing that?

                        #108106
                        ShedTheShame
                        Participant

                          Oddsocks wrote:

                          I get disorganised reading posts, so sorry if this has already been talked about already. I was very interested to hear that you have been working on shedding shame. Can you tell me a bit about how you are doing that?

                          Appreciate your reply and am happy to share.

                          I read Brené Brown’s book The Gifts of Imperfection. (You can also find her TED Talks videos online.) She doesn’t address compulsive hoarding. She talks about how feelings of shame and vulnerability keep us from presenting our authentic selves, from embracing who we are, and ultimately from loving ourselves. Shame is the intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love and belonging. We’re afraid that people won’t like us if they know the truth about who we are.

                          And the less we talk about shame, the more control it has over our lives. If we work hard to make sure everything looks “just right” on the outside, the stakes are high when it comes to truth telling. This is why shame loves perfectionists — it’s so easy to keep us quiet. Shame corrodes the part of us that believes we can change and do better.

                          Shame needs three things to grow out of control in our lives: secrecy, silence and judgment. Shame loses its power when it is spoken.

                          Compulsive hoarding is rife with shame! We need to work on shedding our shame in order to have the fortitude to deal with our disorder and get the help we need. Here we all are on this message board, happy to have found others who have compassion for our struggle and speak our language. A safe place where we can be open about what we’re going through. But in our day-to-day lives most of us hide in shame.

                          It breaks my heart that we have to search for help and support in “secret.”

                          Just over three years ago, I began “coming out” to select friends and acquaintances. The first one was the most emotional of all. Once I shared the truth about my life, I immediately burst into tears. I felt like a gigantic pressure cooker, and after years and years — someone finally hit the release valve.

                          Since then, I’ve probably come clean with two to three dozen people. It’s never easy. But it does get easier with each one, relatively speaking. Some people are compassionate and offer support; others seem uncomfortable and the topic never comes up again. I’ve come to accept that I can’t control how people respond to my share. I can only be selective in who I choose to share my truth with.

                          Public perception of compulsive hoarding is highly skewed, in my opinion. Most therapists don’t have an adequate understanding of the disorder, and the general population has sadly learned about the disorder from sensationalized TV programs showing extreme cases. People make insensitive jokes about hoarding. Naturally, all this makes it even less inviting for us to come forward and declare our disorder.

                          My home does not look like the severe cases highlighted on TV programs, but “it’s still early in the game.” I know I have a serious problem that will only get worse if I don’t do something to curtail it. It’s critical for compulsive hoarders to realize they have a problem and get help ASAP before things get completely out of control. Compassionate public discourse is key.

                          Waiting until a severe compulsive hoarder can no longer hide their situation and others are forced to intervene is not the ideal way to deal with this disorder. But until we can feel “safe” raising our hand and saying, “Me… I have this problem,” we will continue to hide in shame and struggle alone.

                          Ultimately, we have to be the ones to decide we want to change… to decide what items stay and what items go… to make an effort to adopt new, healthy habits. But we can’t do it alone.

                          I’m trying my hand at making some videos. They’re amateur hourish but they help me process my thoughts. And I hope they might help others:

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHiTJyc0Fbs” class=”bbcode_url”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHiTJyc0Fbs

                          https://youtu.be/HPdevfhF5X0” class=”bbcode_url”>https://youtu.be/HPdevfhF5X0

                          https://youtu.be/vq5qUybicWY” class=”bbcode_url”>https://youtu.be/vq5qUybicWY

                          Hope I didn’t overload you with info. (I know that’s a trait of compulsive hoarders!) Thanks again for your interest.

                          #108107
                          chaosqueen
                          Participant

                            MY experience when “shedding the shame”:

                            most people don’t believe me or justify my behaviour

                            it has been a great relief to let people in, some can handle it, some can’t, but the ones that can handle it are my real friends! They don’t care what my house looks like. They care about me. The offer to help and when I say yes they want to know what they can do, when I say no they are fine with that, too.

                            #108108
                            ShedTheShame
                            Participant

                              chaosqueen wrote:

                              most people don’t believe me or justify my behaviour

                              When you say most people don’t believe you, do you mean they don’t believe you have a real problem with hoarding? The response of some of my friends has been disbelief, as in, “But you don’t look like a hoarder.” [Apparently hoarders have a “look,” and I’m not up-to-date on it!]

                              They’ll also make comments about, say, a friend’s mother who was a hoarder: “She stored shoeboxes in her shower. And she had a lock on her bedroom door. Can you believe that??” To which I say, “I have things stored in my shower. I have a lock on my bedroom door.”

                              My theory is that because they’ve gotten to known me over the years without knowing my “secret,” they see me as a person first, hoarder second. And for most of the general population, their impression of a hoarder is what they’ve seen on TV shows.

                              I imagine if I were to introduce myself to someone completely new and tell them off the bat that I was a hoarder, they might immediately form an impression of me based on what they’ve seen about hoarders… and possibly not get to know the other dimensions of me??

                              chaosqueen wrote:

                              it has been a great relief to let people in, some can handle it, some can’t, but the ones that can handle it are my real friends! They don’t care what my house looks like. They care about me. The offer to help and when I say yes they want to know what they can do, when I say no they are fine with that, too.

                              So glad you have let people in! It’s a very scary thing to do, to allow ourselves to be so vulnerable. But an important step, nonetheless.

                              I find it helps to offer suggestions of ways they can help. The first thing they might offer is to help you purge things. But that can become a very frustrating situation for both sides and can even end up in conflict.

                              One of my friends has extended an open invitation for me to bring a box of things to his place and sort there. I don’t have TV service in my home, so he leaves me his remote to watch whatever I want when I take a reward break. He doesn’t sit by me while I sort; he’s off in his house doing his own thing. But I feel his support just being there. Later we eat lunch together and share some laughs.

                              Another friend checks in with me before she goes to Costco to ask if I need anything. Someone who lived in New York City once told me, “It’s better to have a friend with a car than to have a car,” because you can enjoy the benefits without the headaches of ownership. For me, “It’s better to have a friend with a Costco membership than to have a Costco membership!” For one thing, it forces me to make a list of only the items I need. Secondly, I won’t be the victim of impulse buys since I’m not walking into the warehouse :)

                              #108109
                              chaosqueen
                              Participant

                                People flat out deny it. My house only looks cluttered. I don’t fit their picture of a hoarder. If they are willing to admit my place is a dump they will blame it on my having a lot of little kids. It’s just such a ugly little label, they don’t want to put it on their friend.

                                I agree, if you told a total stranger you were a hoarder, they might just see the label, not the person.

                                I love how your friends found ways to support you with out interfering!

                                #108110
                                blossum17

                                  Welcome shedtheshame!! Haven’t posted in awhile but have been following the threads. I also have friends who tried to comfort me by saying everyone has clutter. True I replied but when the rooms in your house can no longer be used for their intended purpose & you have vermin & heat that doesn’t work You are person with hoarding tendencies :D And it does help to let people in emotionally & physically. However I do not discuss my situation with everyone but over coffee @ church as I was sharing with my friend G & 2 other people heard the discussion & wanted to talk about their situations. I tried very hard to listen carefully, be encouraging & directed them to this site where they can read & use the rating scales to judge for themselves where they are. It was a good feeling to think my difficulties may help someone else.

                                  I agree wholeheartedly that the Reality TV shows have not helped those of us who suffer from this disorder. Many people would look at me- professional, well groomed, well educated, good interpersonal skills & say NO WAY could this person be a hoarder but as others have posted it is easy enough to keep up appearances. Even when the hoard is lurking in the background like the big white blob that it is :( And as others would agree & have posted it is a complicated disorder. It certainly isn’t a 1 size fits all and that’s what disappoints me about researchers – very good professional people only looking for answers so people can get the help they need but it will take time, years possibly, for them to realize that, like Autism, this disorder occurs on a spectrum.

                                  The other thing they don’t seem to be researching at this time is the whole idea of Maintenance. Everyone will have different ideas about when they have moved from hoard to declutter but if you read the various threads you can easily see that many are in various stages of Maintenance. When is someone going to do research about the strategies being used now, today that are helping all of us keep that hoard at bay?? I hope it will happen in my lifetime :lol:

                                  best

                                  blossum17

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